LVEC (Design & Build) reality check !
The group (KCAL) or Kingston Concerned about the LVEC recently published misinformation based on "interpretation" of ONE drawing, out of hundreds
available on the LVEC.
"This ONE drawing" - is also NOT theirs - as they claim!
Quote:
There is a very interesting LVEC-related item Adobe PDF document in Report No. 95 of the CAO, which is on Tuesday's Council agenda.
Keep in mind that there isn't a single diagram adorning the item. The diagram below is by KCAL.
Also keep in mind that this is presented as a "done deal"; no alternatives are presented. Nonetheless, council is being asked to approve this.
And that the retractable seating is another scam and based on incompetent design oversights. And KCAL also add that our current council (as they said for the last) are also incompetent and useless.
...blah blah blah...more of the same high & mighty nonsense. (and offending everyone who dares not to agree with KCAL) - are they simple or what?
LVEC - EDUCATED (FACT)
1)The diagram of the the LVEC arena "bowl" is a drawing of the general seating and not the ( design / build ) drawing. No dimentions or specifications for seating...are on these drawing!
2) PLEASE - It is "normal" to have these general/preliminary drawings issued.
Especially, at the start of a build.
SO THAT...- decision makers can grasp, (visualize) or (over examine) the "details" that they would not have the time to oversee. Nor is it their JOB to oversee. They are called "concept drawings"...or line drawing to visual (see) the design. (thats it)
If they want details drawing just ask the City...don't create more misinformation by being arrogant.!
3) Any City council through the freedom of information act can have a "detail" drawings.
Keep in mind they may not have a concept of the details...since they are not trained designers..but they are avaliable.
So, KCAL stop making assumptions in lue of fact!
4) And no NONE of the drawings (are KCAL's)..they are "copies" and property of the projects design portfolio.
Have you ask the City for permission to publish them?
If not you maybe in hotwater, if push comes to shove.
5) There is enough room for the local "hockey Hall of Fame" and I am sure they are working on a website?
- Maybe Steve Black from KCAL could volunteer his armchair expert time..
to a quality, positive local community project???
Here is the real "public disclosure" article:
To truely inform the public - maybe KCAL should have read it first!
Arena seating plan changes; 'Challenges' nix retractable seats
Posted By Jordan Press
Posted 12 hours ago
Structural challenges won't allow retractable seats to fully retract away from the ice surface at the downtown arena, according to a city hall staff report.
Instead, those seats will be removed and additional seats added in other areas, which will increase the total number of seats overall when the arena opens in February, staff wrote.
There is no extra cost to the city, the report noted.
The arena will open with 5,650 seats, instead of the 5,000 as originally proposed.
"In order to be valuable from an operational point of view, the seats need to be fully retractable," the report said.
"There are no expenditures related to the recommendation in the construction contract. There is an opportunity to add additional seats to add revenue potential with no additional costs."
Tomorrow night, city council will be asked to approve the change in scope of the $46.1-million project.
Over the past month, city staff, builder EllisDon and the arena's private operator, Arcturus/SMG, reviewed the seating layout around the bowl of the downtown arena after councillors approved work that would allow an additional 1,000 seats to be installed in the future. During the review, EllisDon found the arena had "structural challenges" that "would impact the retractable seats," staff wrote. If they were to be installed, the 118 seats on the western end of the bowl wouldn't fully retract under the arena's risers to allow for stages to be set up for concerts.
Only two rows of seats would be able to retract under the current design, staff wrote. According to design plans, between three and four rows of seats were to be retractable.
"Based on discussions ... all retractable seats should be removed and that the space could be used as a premium zone," the report said.
The space would become a spot for bar-like tables and chairs from which people could watch games, staff said. During concerts, the area would be empty, the report said.
In the future, fixed seating could be added to this area, staff wrote.
As well, Arcturus wanted the 24 seats over the Zamboni entrance moved to another part of the arena, the report said.
Staff wrote that move and the removal of retractable seating would fill empty risers. There was a concern the foundation for the additional 1,000 seats would lead to empty risers around the bowl, making it look empty and incomplete.
The arena is scheduled to be open on Feb. 22. Staff note in their monthly report on the project that the time "is very tight," but EllisDon has guaranteed the opening date.
Workers from EllisDon will still be in the facility after the opening event to work on any mechanical, electrical and architectural deficiencies, the report said.
By Oct. 18, the arena should be enclosed, the report said.
Next month, councillors will get their first look at details of a naming rights agreement for the arena. After council has had a look at the deal and approved it, the name of the company will become public.
Operator Arcturus is currently in talks with a company to run the restaurant inside the arena.
Project manager Lanie Hurdle confirmed talks are underway with a company, the only one to express an interest in running the facilities.
The company is not based in Kingston, she said.
jpress@thewhig.com
available on the LVEC.
"This ONE drawing" - is also NOT theirs - as they claim!
Quote:
There is a very interesting LVEC-related item Adobe PDF document in Report No. 95 of the CAO, which is on Tuesday's Council agenda.
Keep in mind that there isn't a single diagram adorning the item. The diagram below is by KCAL.
Also keep in mind that this is presented as a "done deal"; no alternatives are presented. Nonetheless, council is being asked to approve this.
And that the retractable seating is another scam and based on incompetent design oversights. And KCAL also add that our current council (as they said for the last) are also incompetent and useless.
...blah blah blah...more of the same high & mighty nonsense. (and offending everyone who dares not to agree with KCAL) - are they simple or what?
LVEC - EDUCATED (FACT)
1)The diagram of the the LVEC arena "bowl" is a drawing of the general seating and not the ( design / build ) drawing. No dimentions or specifications for seating...are on these drawing!
2) PLEASE - It is "normal" to have these general/preliminary drawings issued.
Especially, at the start of a build.
SO THAT...- decision makers can grasp, (visualize) or (over examine) the "details" that they would not have the time to oversee. Nor is it their JOB to oversee. They are called "concept drawings"...or line drawing to visual (see) the design. (thats it)
If they want details drawing just ask the City...don't create more misinformation by being arrogant.!
3) Any City council through the freedom of information act can have a "detail" drawings.
Keep in mind they may not have a concept of the details...since they are not trained designers..but they are avaliable.
So, KCAL stop making assumptions in lue of fact!
4) And no NONE of the drawings (are KCAL's)..they are "copies" and property of the projects design portfolio.
Have you ask the City for permission to publish them?
If not you maybe in hotwater, if push comes to shove.
5) There is enough room for the local "hockey Hall of Fame" and I am sure they are working on a website?
- Maybe Steve Black from KCAL could volunteer his armchair expert time..
to a quality, positive local community project???
Here is the real "public disclosure" article:
To truely inform the public - maybe KCAL should have read it first!
Arena seating plan changes; 'Challenges' nix retractable seats
Posted By Jordan Press
Posted 12 hours ago
Structural challenges won't allow retractable seats to fully retract away from the ice surface at the downtown arena, according to a city hall staff report.
Instead, those seats will be removed and additional seats added in other areas, which will increase the total number of seats overall when the arena opens in February, staff wrote.
There is no extra cost to the city, the report noted.
The arena will open with 5,650 seats, instead of the 5,000 as originally proposed.
"In order to be valuable from an operational point of view, the seats need to be fully retractable," the report said.
"There are no expenditures related to the recommendation in the construction contract. There is an opportunity to add additional seats to add revenue potential with no additional costs."
Tomorrow night, city council will be asked to approve the change in scope of the $46.1-million project.
Over the past month, city staff, builder EllisDon and the arena's private operator, Arcturus/SMG, reviewed the seating layout around the bowl of the downtown arena after councillors approved work that would allow an additional 1,000 seats to be installed in the future. During the review, EllisDon found the arena had "structural challenges" that "would impact the retractable seats," staff wrote. If they were to be installed, the 118 seats on the western end of the bowl wouldn't fully retract under the arena's risers to allow for stages to be set up for concerts.
Only two rows of seats would be able to retract under the current design, staff wrote. According to design plans, between three and four rows of seats were to be retractable.
"Based on discussions ... all retractable seats should be removed and that the space could be used as a premium zone," the report said.
The space would become a spot for bar-like tables and chairs from which people could watch games, staff said. During concerts, the area would be empty, the report said.
In the future, fixed seating could be added to this area, staff wrote.
As well, Arcturus wanted the 24 seats over the Zamboni entrance moved to another part of the arena, the report said.
Staff wrote that move and the removal of retractable seating would fill empty risers. There was a concern the foundation for the additional 1,000 seats would lead to empty risers around the bowl, making it look empty and incomplete.
The arena is scheduled to be open on Feb. 22. Staff note in their monthly report on the project that the time "is very tight," but EllisDon has guaranteed the opening date.
Workers from EllisDon will still be in the facility after the opening event to work on any mechanical, electrical and architectural deficiencies, the report said.
By Oct. 18, the arena should be enclosed, the report said.
Next month, councillors will get their first look at details of a naming rights agreement for the arena. After council has had a look at the deal and approved it, the name of the company will become public.
Operator Arcturus is currently in talks with a company to run the restaurant inside the arena.
Project manager Lanie Hurdle confirmed talks are underway with a company, the only one to express an interest in running the facilities.
The company is not based in Kingston, she said.
jpress@thewhig.com
posted by LVEC EDUCATED at 6:28 p.m.
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